Athée Canadien
Spying on Atheists for Xtians
By Katie
This whole thing is far too funny not to share.
When I was doing the Canadian Atheist Bus Campaign with the Freethought Association of Canada I got a lot of death threats. People got my personal cell phone number and would call me at all hours of the day and night to scold me. I would get lectured, threatened and yelled at. But it has taken a rabid atheist or secular humanist to formulate his own personal vendetta against me… striking at my name at every chance possible.
In case you can’t read it:
“Katie Kish is a christian spy and saboteur. Check her profile. Everyone should join her group spying on atheists for xtians so we can see what she’s up to. She is President of the Freethought Association of Canada and was employed by CFI. This is too bizarre to make up.”
and
“Katie Kish is a christian spy and saboteur. Check her profile. Everyone should join her group spying on atheists for xtians so we can see what she and her friends are up to. She is President of the Freethought Association of Canada and was employed by CFI. She is a good spy.”
and
“Google spying on atheists for Xtians and you will see her picture. Maybe now she wants recognition for serving the Lord. Why not ask Katie why she said she was a Christian.”
What is depressing is that if you google it my picture doesn’t actually come up. The Facebook group that Facebook automatically made when I (jokingly) listed it as an interest comes up… and my picture is there.
This whole thing started when Rod and I were both on the board of the FAC. He wanted to send a copy of Victor Stenger’s “God: The Failed Hypothesis” to someone in government who was open about his Christianity (and I think a supporter of Creationism, which is why everyone was so pissed off). I basically told Rod that we shouldn’t send it. I said it would be offensive and a bad PR move on the FAC’s part. I think I also mentioned that it was sort of not on topic, and that we might consider sending science education books to multiple politicians, which would have a much better press headline.
Rod got pissed off and said I was censoring him while trying to protect someone’s faith. He continued to say that I had been in contact with a United Church Minister and was probably starting to get confused (or something) about faith. I feel like I should mentioned that I’ve been in contact with a United Church Minister every single day for the past 13 years of my life – as my step-dad is one. He started to say that I probably shouldn’t be employed by FAC because I wasn’t an atheist and was therefore not looking out for the best interest of the group.
The FAC board decided to have a meeting about it. At the meeting Rod further accused me of censoring him and being to kind to religion. At the time thought I was an atheist, and so said so (I’m obviously not anymore and am very open about it). The board also took an official vote on sending book. I abstained from the vote, so that Rod could no longer blame me for the book not being sent, 3 board members voted not to send the book and Rod voted to send it. Despite my attempt to stay out of it Rod still holds me entirely accountable for that book not being sent. (Yes, we’ve told him many times he can send it on his own, but apparently that’s not good enough).
Now I’ve pretty much tried to steer clear of this guy ever since all of that happened. But he continues to attack my name every chance possible. (And agnostics… saying they are intellectually dishonest and stupid. He said this at a Coping Without Religion meeting, even… a support group for people trying to leave religion… *anger anger anger*) If I comment on someone’s thing on Facebook he is right there to start attacking me. Apparently he googles me to see what I’m up to. He tried to start talking about me at a Living Without Religion group, but luckily people stopped him from further slandering my name.
Just a few nit-pics about this guy:
- I’ve never been employed by CFI. I have been employed by the FAC where one of my main responsibilities was to help CFI in event planning and taking care of the library. But ‘ve never been a CFI employee.
- Even though I am a Christian I don’t see why it matters that I’m involved with CFI and FAC as neither are specifically atheist groups. You can very easily be a liberal Christian who sees the problems with religion, with the issues that atheists face in society and the problems with religion interfering in the public sphere. CFI is becoming increasingly irritating when it comes to religion (ie: saying that religious spaces are not good for humanity!!) but you still don’t need to be an atheist to be involved with the majority of their campaigns.
- Myself and other CFI-Ontario/FAC/Toronto-atheists have amplified the joke that I’m a christian spy simply to make fun of Rod… but the interesting thing is that the more we amplify the joke the more convinced to becomes that I actually *am* a Christian spy.
Seriously. It’s not like this guy is getting on my nerves but it is starting to get a little bit ridiculous. How can he call me a saboteur when I have done far more for the secularist movement in Canada than he will ever do. Despite having to put up with atheists arguing with me about faith and telling me I’m stupid I stick around and continue to volunteer to support the freethought/secularist cause. It’s not like I’ve read a book, found amazing truth in it and now use it against everyone’s argument about everything without actually thinking if the book worthy of so much praise. I’m not referring to the bible here, I’m referring to his seriously weird obsession with Victor Stenger’s book… which has become his own personal bible making him just as closed minded at conservative/extreme Christians.
For Halloween everyone in Toronto should join me in making an army of Rod Tamneys. All that is needed is a silly looking fedor, a pompus looking suit, a copy of Stenger’s book and the following three lines memorized: “agnostics are stupid”, “katie is a christian spy” and “read chapter 2 of this book”.
So… Can I sue him for slander or something yet?
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about 1 year ago
This guy sounds charming. Well, it takes all kinds, I guess…
about 1 year ago
The idea of being a spy is risible. A spy doesn’t TELL you OPENLY that he/she is a member of the ‘enemy’ organization.
I may not agree with you on everything, Katie, but I reserve the label of ‘stupid’ for people like Rod.
about 1 year ago
Maybe Katie’s actually a double (or triple?) agent – an atheist pretending to be a Christian working for atheist groups – in order to make people like Rod look even more ridiculous.
about 1 year ago
Sorry Katie, I didn’t mean to blow your cover.
about 1 year ago
for cryin’ out loud Ian…
about 1 year ago
Send him this clip and tell him to watch at the three minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izT8wzrtmv0
about 1 year ago
Rod is VERY weird. Very, very, very weird. A lot of people have had run ins with him.
He’s so weird, that I kind of pity him. He probably has some kind of mental or social disorder. I couldn’t even begin to try to diagnose him.
Maybe we could try to get him some help or counselling or something?
about 1 year ago
Katie, every movement has nutjobs. There’s no good screen that on the one hand weeds out all sociopaths, extremists, and office politics enthusiasts, and on the other hand doesn’t make your movement so insular it consists of just you and your close friends. I think the trick of good political activism is not to screen out the nutjobs, but to know how to ensure the inevitable nutjobs don’t have enough power to destroy things.
about 1 year ago
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
On one hand, I know that I probably should avoid this guy, but on the other hand, now that I know that he has provided evidence of being really weird, I am eager to see him in action.
While I agree that “stupid” is a good adjective for people like that, in this case, I actually had the noun “douche canoe” in mind.
about 1 year ago
At the time thought I was an atheist and so said so(sic) (I’m obviously not anymore and am very open about it).” So Katie Kish, a flip-flop Christian, is against anyone sending our Christian Minister of Science, Gary Goodyear, a science book on religion written by a scientist because it would cause poor Gary to lose his faith in god. I would like Katie to explain how she finds a science book she has not read offensive. Katie, please clear this up. Why would sending a book written by a professor of physics, astronomy and philosophy be considered a bad Public Relations move? Was your faith shaken? Can you admit a little bias here?
Tell us by quoting directly from the pages of God: The Failed Hypothesis-How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist.
I would also like to know who paid you while you were doing work for CFI? I never said agnostics are stupid.
I said they are ignorant because agnosticism is intellectually untenable. The cowardly agnostic is forever waiting for for the impossible task of proving a negative.
So you started a joke site spying on atheists for Xtians and there’s your picture. I joined your group. When does it get funny?
Please publish all the other members names. Do they also think they were atheists but are now Xtians?
Please reply.
about 1 year ago
He has arrived!
Rod – tsk tsk.
“So Katie Kish, a flip-flop Christian, is against anyone sending our Christian Minister of Science, Gary Goodyear, a science book on religion written by a scientist because it would cause poor Gary to lose his faith in god.”
I am a flip-flop Christian, and for good reason. I’ve been on a crazy-awesome journey with religion, and it has brought me to a lot of places. However the real meat of this sentence is incorrect. I am not against anyone sending the book, anyone may send it. Go ahead, I really don’t care. Just not in the name of a publicly funded charity.
Also there was no bias at the time on my part, as I was very certain I was an atheist. There would be now. And simply so you could not pin this on me we held a vote from which I abstained. So how about you take your crusade on against Emily, Zak and Justin… the three who voted against you for sending the book. I’m not going to satisfy your cravings on this topic by continuing to talk about it. The situation was solved. Talk to those who solved it if you’re still harboring a grudge about being voted down (3 years after the fact).
When does the group get funny? We’ve all been laughing at it for at least a solid two years now.
about 1 year ago
Dear Katie Kish, I also think it’s funny peculiar that a Christian can sabotage the cause of secular humanism and even brag about it by starting spying on atheists for Xtians on Facebook. Are you still President of the Thoughtfree Association of Canada? As I remember FAC took funding from the Atheist Bus campaign.
1. What happened to the money people sent to promote the slogan God probably doesn’t exist… on buses? Was there not about $19,000.00 left over? Three times I asked Zak to send me an FAC financial statement.
2. Please explain how you find a science book you have not read offensive?
3. Why would sending a politician a science book written by a professor of physics, astronomy and philosophy be considered a bad Public Relations move?
4. Who paid you while you were doing work for CFI?
5. What is the “good reason” you are a flip-flop Xtian?
6. Tell us more about your “crazy-awesome journey with religion”?
7. You say, “…it has brought me to a lot of places.” Are these real places I could find with a GPS or are you referring to the spirit world?
Let’s not try to examine the motives of others right now:
just answer for your own actions.
Hey, this is fun. Please answer quickly before you turn back into an atheist.
about 1 year ago
If I thought you actually cared about my life stories I’d bother telling them. But you’re just a guy with a grudge looking to bully me around. Besides, I’ve answered the majority of these questions on facebook, FAC meetings and on this blog… I’m not going to waste my time reiterating things because you didn’t pay attention the first time or can’t be bothered to look. You seem to have time on your hands, I feel like you can find these answers all on your own.
But as for all this…I’m not interested, Rod. This is the end of conversations between you and I. I don’t need to answer to you; I stand by all my actions with conviction.
about 1 year ago
Rod, seriously, I think you need a hobby, you sound like just another crazy conspiracy guy, pretty much all the time, now. That didn’t used to be the case.
And you should probably think about why people keep asking you to leave their groups. You may have decided that Katie is your nemesis, but she’s not the only one complaining about you. You talk and act like some crazy street preacher, and its very off-putting to many people.
I’m sure this will fall on deaf ears, but I felt I should try. You can still be a useful member of the atheist community, but you have to put that anger aside, its like a sickness with you these days.
about 1 year ago
I’ve… I’ve never seen an atheist troll before. I mean, there’s no logical reason why there COULDN’T be one, I’ve just never seen one in real life. It’s like seeing a real-live Creationist for the first time.
“Let’s not try to examine the motives of others right now:”
Hypocrisy fail…