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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/07/31/a-game-of-trolls/#comment-12644</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Insults&#039; can be successful rhetorical tools. Hitchens was a master of this, but this was mainly, I think, because he was such a good debater, he was literally just adding insult to injury after he thoroughly destroyed someone. But this is more performance than argument.

I think insults can have a high degree of success in that verbal context. In the written context, I don&#039;t see them having as much value, except on the level of humor. 

People who use insults in their written arguments... well, that just seems lazy to me. Writing allows for a much more thorough expression of ideas. So to me it seems like something only hack-writers do. It&#039;s the standard juvenile cheapshot. Again the latter can be funny... 

Don&#039;t get me wrong, there are some masterful trolls on the internet. But I see them more as entertainment, than serious debaters.

It&#039;s like people who get their news from Colbert or the Daily show. Both Colbert and Stewart do a good job at social criticism, and really reach the level of art on occasion. But, it is performance and by its nature, superficial. That is not a criticism, they are both really great at what they do.

Heheh, I guess I&#039;m a bit of a snob.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Insults&#8217; can be successful rhetorical tools. Hitchens was a master of this, but this was mainly, I think, because he was such a good debater, he was literally just adding insult to injury after he thoroughly destroyed someone. But this is more performance than argument.</p>
<p>I think insults can have a high degree of success in that verbal context. In the written context, I don&#8217;t see them having as much value, except on the level of humor. </p>
<p>People who use insults in their written arguments&#8230; well, that just seems lazy to me. Writing allows for a much more thorough expression of ideas. So to me it seems like something only hack-writers do. It&#8217;s the standard juvenile cheapshot. Again the latter can be funny&#8230; </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, there are some masterful trolls on the internet. But I see them more as entertainment, than serious debaters.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like people who get their news from Colbert or the Daily show. Both Colbert and Stewart do a good job at social criticism, and really reach the level of art on occasion. But, it is performance and by its nature, superficial. That is not a criticism, they are both really great at what they do.</p>
<p>Heheh, I guess I&#8217;m a bit of a snob.</p>
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		<title>By: Corwin</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/07/31/a-game-of-trolls/#comment-12636</link>
		<dc:creator>Corwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think insults have their place as part of the cut and thrust of public discourse. If I find someone&#039;s conduct highly objectionable, I should be able to explain why in reasoned terms, but I may also want to communicate my subjective attitude towards the person in a way that will hopefully strike a chord with my listeners and win them over to my perspective. Hurling a well-honed insult or two can be an effective mechanism for doing that.

Different communities can have different standards, as you say, but a community that tried to completely eliminate the emotional and subjective aspect of human communication (or selectively eliminate the negative part thereof) would not be a place where I&#039;d want to spend much time. Equally, I wouldn&#039;t linger around people who &lt;i&gt;just&lt;/i&gt; wanted to insult each other, and I have a lot more time for wicked, cutting remarks (such as Churchill&#039;s possibly apocryphal description of Clement Attlee as &quot;a modest man, with much to be modest about&quot;) than for reciprocal cries of &quot;stupid idiot!&quot;. However, the bottom line for me is that we need to be able to articulate and compare perceptions, as well as ideas, and our perceptions of other people aren&#039;t always going to be positive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think insults have their place as part of the cut and thrust of public discourse. If I find someone&#8217;s conduct highly objectionable, I should be able to explain why in reasoned terms, but I may also want to communicate my subjective attitude towards the person in a way that will hopefully strike a chord with my listeners and win them over to my perspective. Hurling a well-honed insult or two can be an effective mechanism for doing that.</p>
<p>Different communities can have different standards, as you say, but a community that tried to completely eliminate the emotional and subjective aspect of human communication (or selectively eliminate the negative part thereof) would not be a place where I&#8217;d want to spend much time. Equally, I wouldn&#8217;t linger around people who <i>just</i> wanted to insult each other, and I have a lot more time for wicked, cutting remarks (such as Churchill&#8217;s possibly apocryphal description of Clement Attlee as &#8220;a modest man, with much to be modest about&#8221;) than for reciprocal cries of &#8220;stupid idiot!&#8221;. However, the bottom line for me is that we need to be able to articulate and compare perceptions, as well as ideas, and our perceptions of other people aren&#8217;t always going to be positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/07/31/a-game-of-trolls/#comment-12592</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 02:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure I get the distinction... 3rd parties... on a blog.... which could arguably be read by anyone and everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I get the distinction&#8230; 3rd parties&#8230; on a blog&#8230;. which could arguably be read by anyone and everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/07/31/a-game-of-trolls/#comment-12591</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 01:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent. Both of you, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent. Both of you, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/07/31/a-game-of-trolls/#comment-12577</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d have hoped it was obvious....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have hoped it was obvious&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/07/31/a-game-of-trolls/#comment-12576</link>
		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iain 

Is your comment a private joke, or are you exercising your right to free speech?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iain </p>
<p>Is your comment a private joke, or are you exercising your right to free speech?</p>
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		<title>By: Iain</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/07/31/a-game-of-trolls/#comment-12562</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What an asinine load of pansy-assed appeasement bullshit! But I suppose I should have expected as much from a smelly, inbred fuckwit like you, Joe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an asinine load of pansy-assed appeasement bullshit! But I suppose I should have expected as much from a smelly, inbred fuckwit like you, Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is also Jerry Coyne&#039;s contribution to the discussion of the proper behaviour on his website: &quot;A note on courtesy and posting behavior: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/a-note-on-courtesy-and-posting-behavior/

Larry Moran &quot;respectfully disagree[s]&quot; with Ophelia Benson and  Daniel Fincke, but as OB points out among the 56 comments,

&quot;Daniel&#039;s post was about how commenters on his blog should address each other, rather than about how he and they should talk about third parties. That&#039;s what I was addressing in my post - and I said Dan had a point, as opposed to saying I agreed with him 100%.&quot;
and
&quot;I was talking about comments on my blog - how we talk to each other in discussions, not how we talk about outside parties.&quot;

Coyne&#039;s rule # 5 is a good one to read because it highlights the fact that people or groups can make rules about what commenter can and can&#039;t  say on their blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also Jerry Coyne&#8217;s contribution to the discussion of the proper behaviour on his website: &#8220;A note on courtesy and posting behavior: <a href="http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/a-note-on-courtesy-and-posting-behavior/" rel="nofollow">http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/a-note-on-courtesy-and-posting-behavior/</a></p>
<p>Larry Moran &#8220;respectfully disagree[s]&#8221; with Ophelia Benson and  Daniel Fincke, but as OB points out among the 56 comments,</p>
<p>&#8220;Daniel&#8217;s post was about how commenters on his blog should address each other, rather than about how he and they should talk about third parties. That&#8217;s what I was addressing in my post &#8211; and I said Dan had a point, as opposed to saying I agreed with him 100%.&#8221;<br />
and<br />
&#8220;I was talking about comments on my blog &#8211; how we talk to each other in discussions, not how we talk about outside parties.&#8221;</p>
<p>Coyne&#8217;s rule # 5 is a good one to read because it highlights the fact that people or groups can make rules about what commenter can and can&#8217;t  say on their blog.</p>
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