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		<title>By: Theo Bromine</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/09/20/can-you-see-the-difference/#comment-14401</link>
		<dc:creator>Theo Bromine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The liberal branches of Judaism (Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist)  are generally  in support of the equality of women and men.  However, there is no question that the tenets and practices of Orthodox (not to mention ultra-Orthodox) Judaism are misogynistic. - eg http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israeli-woman-refuses-ultra-orthodox-dictate-to-move-to-back-of-bus-1.402021 , http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/12/27/ultar-orthodox-jews-israel-protest.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The liberal branches of Judaism (Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist)  are generally  in support of the equality of women and men.  However, there is no question that the tenets and practices of Orthodox (not to mention ultra-Orthodox) Judaism are misogynistic. &#8211; eg <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israeli-woman-refuses-ultra-orthodox-dictate-to-move-to-back-of-bus-1.402021" rel="nofollow">http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israeli-woman-refuses-ultra-orthodox-dictate-to-move-to-back-of-bus-1.402021</a> , <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/12/27/ultar-orthodox-jews-israel-protest.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/12/27/ultar-orthodox-jews-israel-protest.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/09/20/can-you-see-the-difference/#comment-14390</link>
		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe says,
&quot;What challenged me to think critically was literature, philosophy and science, in that order.&quot;

And, of  course, literature is the most important of the three disciplines. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe says,<br />
&#8220;What challenged me to think critically was literature, philosophy and science, in that order.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, of  course, literature is the most important of the three disciplines. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter E.</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/09/20/can-you-see-the-difference/#comment-14388</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve been down this road before, Joe. It is Theology that is based on the false premise.
Checkmate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been down this road before, Joe. It is Theology that is based on the false premise.<br />
Checkmate.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/09/20/can-you-see-the-difference/#comment-14378</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not much for divine inspiration, but most religious traditions, where they are not being contradictory, are very complex. This is why the biblical literalism of fundies is so ludicrously contradictory.

We shouldn&#039;t forget that, being ignorant doesn&#039;t mean being stupid. The men who wrote the bible, etc.., and many of those who interpret it, are just as intelligent as you or I. 

There certainly is misogyny in the bible, but Nietzsche was also raving misogynist. There are some nasty bits in his writing that have no redeeming value. He also though, uses women as  a metaphor in ways that are important to understanding his philosophy.

As to theology. I think Dawkins makes  a faulty assumption that many atheists make. Theology is not about convincing atheists. It&#039;s about explaining religious scripture and tradition, in a rational way, to the faithful. Without that last part as an assumption, the bible is just literature.

Atheism didn&#039;t really do much for my critical thinking, it was too easy for me. It just made sense on a very intuitive level for me. What challenged me to think critically was literature, philosophy and science, in that order.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not much for divine inspiration, but most religious traditions, where they are not being contradictory, are very complex. This is why the biblical literalism of fundies is so ludicrously contradictory.</p>
<p>We shouldn&#8217;t forget that, being ignorant doesn&#8217;t mean being stupid. The men who wrote the bible, etc.., and many of those who interpret it, are just as intelligent as you or I. </p>
<p>There certainly is misogyny in the bible, but Nietzsche was also raving misogynist. There are some nasty bits in his writing that have no redeeming value. He also though, uses women as  a metaphor in ways that are important to understanding his philosophy.</p>
<p>As to theology. I think Dawkins makes  a faulty assumption that many atheists make. Theology is not about convincing atheists. It&#8217;s about explaining religious scripture and tradition, in a rational way, to the faithful. Without that last part as an assumption, the bible is just literature.</p>
<p>Atheism didn&#8217;t really do much for my critical thinking, it was too easy for me. It just made sense on a very intuitive level for me. What challenged me to think critically was literature, philosophy and science, in that order.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter E.</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/09/20/can-you-see-the-difference/#comment-14376</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 06:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The contradictions themselves make clear how the &#039;holy&#039; books are manufactured by man, and yes, always a &#039;man&#039;, and not divinely inspired. To be a convinced theologian one must be either willing to excuse their own integrity or twist logic until it isn&#039;t recognizable. Or both. Hence, my agreement with Dawkins that Theology isn&#039;t even true scholarship.

Personally, I have found that thinking critically about everything has only increased with my burgeoning atheism. But alas, I am only human after all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The contradictions themselves make clear how the &#8216;holy&#8217; books are manufactured by man, and yes, always a &#8216;man&#8217;, and not divinely inspired. To be a convinced theologian one must be either willing to excuse their own integrity or twist logic until it isn&#8217;t recognizable. Or both. Hence, my agreement with Dawkins that Theology isn&#8217;t even true scholarship.</p>
<p>Personally, I have found that thinking critically about everything has only increased with my burgeoning atheism. But alas, I am only human after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/09/20/can-you-see-the-difference/#comment-14372</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Mental gymnastics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Possibly, but we can&#039;t determine that, by cherry-picking. I am not a Jewish scholar, so I don&#039;t know, but I&#039;m happy to look at different opinions. Formal traditional prayers tend to have specific contexts that inform their meaning, dismissing that, without thorough analysis is simply prejudice. We should be better than that, I think, if critical thinking is indeed important to us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mental gymnastics.</p></blockquote>
<p>Possibly, but we can&#8217;t determine that, by cherry-picking. I am not a Jewish scholar, so I don&#8217;t know, but I&#8217;m happy to look at different opinions. Formal traditional prayers tend to have specific contexts that inform their meaning, dismissing that, without thorough analysis is simply prejudice. We should be better than that, I think, if critical thinking is indeed important to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 20:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mental gymnastics. The Torah and Old Testament have many passages that describe women as second class or worse. Funny how your cited author didn&#039;t mention that fact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mental gymnastics. The Torah and Old Testament have many passages that describe women as second class or worse. Funny how your cited author didn&#8217;t mention that fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/09/20/can-you-see-the-difference/#comment-14359</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 01:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting.... so I googled...

http://www.torah.org/learning/women/class31.html

Context is everything. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230;. so I googled&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.torah.org/learning/women/class31.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.torah.org/learning/women/class31.html</a></p>
<p>Context is everything. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/09/20/can-you-see-the-difference/#comment-14358</link>
		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Theo

The prayer reads, &quot;Blessed are You, Hashem our G-d, King of the universe, for not having made me a woman.&quot;  

Imagine!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Theo</p>
<p>The prayer reads, &#8220;Blessed are You, Hashem our G-d, King of the universe, for not having made me a woman.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Imagine!</p>
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		<title>By: Theo Bromine</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/09/20/can-you-see-the-difference/#comment-14353</link>
		<dc:creator>Theo Bromine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re patriarchal privilege:   There is actually a prayer said by Jewish men in which they thank G-d that they were not created as a woman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re patriarchal privilege:   There is actually a prayer said by Jewish men in which they thank G-d that they were not created as a woman.</p>
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