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		<title>By: Peter E.</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/10/28/actions-not-prayers-will-reduce-crime/#comment-15536</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure if my local police service employs the wasteful practice of prayer, but I do know that they waste taxpayer money on &#039;psychics&#039;. 

&#039;http://www.midlandfreepress.com/2011/10/27/not-forgotten&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if my local police service employs the wasteful practice of prayer, but I do know that they waste taxpayer money on &#8216;psychics&#8217;. </p>
<p>&#8216;http://www.midlandfreepress.com/2011/10/27/not-forgotten&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Corwin</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/10/28/actions-not-prayers-will-reduce-crime/#comment-15511</link>
		<dc:creator>Corwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;No way! I have no desire to listen to to his reasons or to take him seriously.&lt;/i&gt;

This seems a touch narrow-minded. If he were praying because he literally expected help from a deity, then yes, he would be indulging in gross silliness. But if he were praying as a kind of meditative exercise to concentrate his mind, or to remind himself of the need to care for others, then I would be prepared to acknowledge the pragmatic value of what he was doing. I would argue that he could retain the relevant emotional commitments without the need for prayer, but the mythology and the symbolism provide a framework that seems genuinely helpful to some people. I would argue that this is fair enough, as long as they don&#039;t actually &lt;i&gt;believe&lt;/i&gt; it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No way! I have no desire to listen to to his reasons or to take him seriously.</i></p>
<p>This seems a touch narrow-minded. If he were praying because he literally expected help from a deity, then yes, he would be indulging in gross silliness. But if he were praying as a kind of meditative exercise to concentrate his mind, or to remind himself of the need to care for others, then I would be prepared to acknowledge the pragmatic value of what he was doing. I would argue that he could retain the relevant emotional commitments without the need for prayer, but the mythology and the symbolism provide a framework that seems genuinely helpful to some people. I would argue that this is fair enough, as long as they don&#8217;t actually <i>believe</i> it.</p>
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		<title>By: Corwin</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/10/28/actions-not-prayers-will-reduce-crime/#comment-15510</link>
		<dc:creator>Corwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We can be pretty sure that prayer won&#039;t lead to literal divine intervention, but the question of whether prayer has some kind of positive psychological effect on the person doing the praying is somewhat more nuanced.

I&#039;d be all in favour of appointing irreligious police chiefs, wherever practical. But if the overwhelmingly most highly qualified (by other criteria) candidate for the job happens to be somewhat religious, then I would say that he or she should still be given the position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can be pretty sure that prayer won&#8217;t lead to literal divine intervention, but the question of whether prayer has some kind of positive psychological effect on the person doing the praying is somewhat more nuanced.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be all in favour of appointing irreligious police chiefs, wherever practical. But if the overwhelmingly most highly qualified (by other criteria) candidate for the job happens to be somewhat religious, then I would say that he or she should still be given the position.</p>
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		<title>By: Billybob</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/10/28/actions-not-prayers-will-reduce-crime/#comment-15489</link>
		<dc:creator>Billybob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out the studies done on prayer.

The conclusion praying = useless.

The man is deluded, and is a police chief?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the studies done on prayer.</p>
<p>The conclusion praying = useless.</p>
<p>The man is deluded, and is a police chief?</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/10/28/actions-not-prayers-will-reduce-crime/#comment-15488</link>
		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Corwin says

&quot;Clunis isn’t praying on the job, as far as I know – he’s just waxing enthusiastic about the value of prayer in general.&quot;

If Clunis were not the police chief he would not have been interviewed on CBC. 

&quot;even if he were praying on the job, it would still behoove us to listen to his reasons and be prepared to take them seriously. &quot;

No way! I have no desire to listen to to his reasons or to take him seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corwin says</p>
<p>&#8220;Clunis isn’t praying on the job, as far as I know – he’s just waxing enthusiastic about the value of prayer in general.&#8221;</p>
<p>If Clunis were not the police chief he would not have been interviewed on CBC. </p>
<p>&#8220;even if he were praying on the job, it would still behoove us to listen to his reasons and be prepared to take them seriously. &#8221;</p>
<p>No way! I have no desire to listen to to his reasons or to take him seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Corwin</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/10/28/actions-not-prayers-will-reduce-crime/#comment-15486</link>
		<dc:creator>Corwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Public officials are being paid to do their job; they are not being paid to pray.&lt;/i&gt;

Okay, but Clunis isn&#039;t praying on the job, as far as I know - he&#039;s just waxing enthusiastic about the value of prayer in general. And even if he were praying on the job, it would still behoove us to listen to his reasons and be prepared to take them seriously. Let&#039;s leave the knee-jerk hostility and mean-spiritedness to the Harperites, shall we?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Public officials are being paid to do their job; they are not being paid to pray.</i></p>
<p>Okay, but Clunis isn&#8217;t praying on the job, as far as I know &#8211; he&#8217;s just waxing enthusiastic about the value of prayer in general. And even if he were praying on the job, it would still behoove us to listen to his reasons and be prepared to take them seriously. Let&#8217;s leave the knee-jerk hostility and mean-spiritedness to the Harperites, shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/10/28/actions-not-prayers-will-reduce-crime/#comment-15484</link>
		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do we  have &quot;[t]o be fair&quot;? Why can&#039;t we say,  &quot;Ditch the prayer crap Clunis and put action and money where your mouth is&quot;?  Enough of being fair to these people. Public officials are being paid to do their job; they are not being paid to pray.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we  have &#8220;[t]o be fair&#8221;? Why can&#8217;t we say,  &#8220;Ditch the prayer crap Clunis and put action and money where your mouth is&#8221;?  Enough of being fair to these people. Public officials are being paid to do their job; they are not being paid to pray.</p>
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		<title>By: Corwin</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/10/28/actions-not-prayers-will-reduce-crime/#comment-15482</link>
		<dc:creator>Corwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The suggestion that prayer and practical action can bring a measure of peace to Winnipeg is like a more public-spirited version of Voltaire&#039;s quip that incantations and arsenic can destroy a flock of sheep.

To be fair, Clunis seems to be hinting that the prayer will have a psychological effect - if you pray for other people, you&#039;re more likely to do something practical to help them as well. I guess that might be true, but to me it seems equally plausible that people would pray scrupulously for their fellow citizens and then think &quot;well, I&#039;ve done my duty and my knees are sore - might as well take that $5 I was going to give to charity, and spend it at Tim Horton&#039;s&quot;.

In lieu of PR training, which often seems to encourage obfuscation, blandness, evasiveness and the endless repetition of empty &quot;talking points&quot;, let&#039;s hope Clunis simply changes his mind about the power and desirability of prayer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The suggestion that prayer and practical action can bring a measure of peace to Winnipeg is like a more public-spirited version of Voltaire&#8217;s quip that incantations and arsenic can destroy a flock of sheep.</p>
<p>To be fair, Clunis seems to be hinting that the prayer will have a psychological effect &#8211; if you pray for other people, you&#8217;re more likely to do something practical to help them as well. I guess that might be true, but to me it seems equally plausible that people would pray scrupulously for their fellow citizens and then think &#8220;well, I&#8217;ve done my duty and my knees are sore &#8211; might as well take that $5 I was going to give to charity, and spend it at Tim Horton&#8217;s&#8221;.</p>
<p>In lieu of PR training, which often seems to encourage obfuscation, blandness, evasiveness and the endless repetition of empty &#8220;talking points&#8221;, let&#8217;s hope Clunis simply changes his mind about the power and desirability of prayer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://canadianatheist.com/2012/10/28/actions-not-prayers-will-reduce-crime/#comment-15477</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Praying for peace. Isn&#039;t that what&#039;s been done for 2,000 years or so? How&#039;s that working out?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Praying for peace. Isn&#8217;t that what&#8217;s been done for 2,000 years or so? How&#8217;s that working out?</p>
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