Irish Catholics Reject Church Teachings on Sexuality

By Sigmund

April 13th saw the release of a new poll: Contemporary Catholic Perspectives. Commissioned by the Association of Catholic Priests in Ireland, the survey examined the churchgoing habits of Irish Catholics but also included questions about the attitudes towards modern Church teachings such as those involving sexuality as well as historical Church doctrines, including the rules against the ordination of married or women priests.

In the light of the recent MORI poll commissioned by the Richard Dawkins foundation, revealing UK based Christians often had little in common with the image of a churchgoing individuals who believed the tenets of their religion, the Irish survey likewise reveals a population at some distance from the official doctrines of their professed church.

According to the survey results the traditionally high rates of Church attendance are now a thing of the past for most Irish Catholics. “Just over one in three Catholics (35%) attend Mass weekly or more often. One in five only go for either celebratory and/or religious occasions.”

When provided with four alternatives to increase the number of priests in the Irish church Catholics overwhelmingly answered in favor of allowing a priest to get married or allowing the ordination of women, (87% and 77% respectively saying yes to these options), even more than the choices of allowing the ordination of mature men (72%) or the clustering parishes so that priests could be shared amongst different towns (60%)

Probably the most interesting results, however, are in the area of relationships and sex.

When asked “Do you believe that the Catholic Church’s teachings on sexuality are relevant to you or your family?” the result reveals that the vast majority of Irish Catholics reject the Church teaching on these subject, with 75% of individuals answering “no”.

Those attending mass at least once a week (43%) and who were in the over 55 age category (39%) were most likely to find the Church teaching relevant.

In the light of the recent hysterical reaction by Christian leaders to the idea of legalizing homosexual marriage, it is interesting to note that when asked the question “To what extent do you agree with the Catholic Church’s teaching that any sexual expression of love between gay couples is immoral?” less than 1 in 5 Irish Catholics agree, again the highest levels of agreement being seen amongst the older age group and those who attend church weekly.

Over 61% of Irish Catholics, on the other hand, reject the Church stance on homosexuality. This number rises to over 68% and 70% amongst those between 25-34 and women, respectively. In addition the Catholic ban on divorced individuals receiving communion is rejected by 87% of Irish Catholics questioned and is only supported by 5%.

These results, from what was until recent decades one of the most highly religious European populations, are clearly getting under the skins of Catholic apologists. David Quinn, head of the arch conservative Iona Institute wrote a hysterical article bemoaning the fact that the questions were too broad in scope:

Do they mean it is totally irrelevant in every respect, or that just bits of it are irrelevant (meaning, one presumes, of no help whatever to them in their day-to-day lives?)

So people who think that the Church is wrong about birth control and homosexuality might, on the other hand, happen to agree with the Church on other aspects of sexuality – therefore they should have answered “yes” rather than “no”?

But which teachings does he mean?

Presumably most parents wouldn’t be too happy to discover that their 16 year old son was about to become a father? Again, the Church would agree with them there.
And if someone found that their spouse was being unfaithful on them, they would be unhappy about that? Yet again, the Church would agree with them.

Well, if we are going down the road of pointing out the blindingly obvious, presumably the Church also agrees that it’s inadvisable to acquire carnal knowledge of hedgehogs (unless, of course, you are one.)

No amount of spin, however, should counteract the point that orthodox Catholic teachings on sexuality are now overwhelmingly rejected by Irish Catholics, as they have been by Catholics in other European states and North America.

This issue is particularly relevant to international atheism as Ireland is currently undergoing a particularly frenzied culture war involving the Catholic Church and its attitude to democracy – specifically in regards the rights of the non-religious.

“In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.” — Friedrich Nietzsche

J’ai vu ce vidéo sur le site web RichardDawkins.net, mais j’ai également décidé demettre le lien du vidéo original (OpenCulture.com). Le video été créé par Dr. Jonathan Pararajasignham.  Il réunit cinquante personnes, bien connues, soit des scientifiques, des philosophes et des membres du domaine universitaire qui parlent de leurs idées sur Dieu, le paradis, et l’au-delà. La liste complète des personnes ayant participé au vidéo se trouve sur le site web d’Open Culture. Si vous n’avez pas déjà regardé ce film, je vous encourage à le faire. Il est très bien fait et cela ne prendra qu’une demi-heure de votre temps.

 

I originally saw this on the RichardDawkins.net website, but decided to link to the original on OpenCulture.com. The video was put together by Dr. Jonathan Pararajasingham and is a compilation of fifty well known scientists, philosophers, and academics speaking their thoughts on God, Heaven, and the afterlife. The Open Culture link also has the full list of names of all 50 people, in order of appearance. If you haven’t already watched the video, it is well worth half an hour of your time. I encourage everyone to check it out.

Majority to Minority: Shut the Hell Up!

By Andrew Komar

Tom Sears has a new op-ed up in the Daily Star proclaiming that the numbers of the atheist movement ‘doom us to irrelevancy’. I’m not going to spend my time here debunking the numerous attacks, misconceptions and smears against non-theists, but the mere fact that Sears felt it necessary to write it is yet another example of the persecution complex that many Christians seem to have.


Sears mentions the American Atheist recent billboard put up in New Jersey- The “You Know its a Myth” campaign, as yet another example of our shrillness. For the record, the stated purpose of that particular campaign was to reach out to closeted atheists, which has NOTHING to do with Christians. Here are their words :

Millions of atheists are closeted, choosing to go along to get along, and feigning religion to their friends, family, and coworkers. American Atheists understands the pressure to fit in, but we maintain that for people to love you, they must know the real you.

Evidently, Sears thinks the stated motives of the campaign are ‘really’ an attack on Christianity. Look, sir, if your faith is such that a billboard challenging it is enough to destroy it, you must not have had much there in the first place. And if that was the case, you’re lucky that Bill Donahue and the Catholics are there to reassure you on the other side of the tunnel with this billboard:

I applaud these billboards for reaching out to this silent minority. Whether the size of that minority is 3% (as repeatedly asserted by Sears) or closer to 30% the fact is that atheists are not nearly as organized as our religious brothers and sisters. Lacking any cohesive ideology beyond an agreement that there is probably no god(s), we are a diverse group, with many different reasons for that general conclusion. Believe it or not, Mr Sears, but there is no atheist religion. We’re human- and we crave a community that understands us. The billboards are a (repeatedly stated as such) effort to reach out and build that community.

If your a Christian and you read the billboard, I don’t expect you to magically lose your faith. For all I care, you are welcome to continue believing in Jesus, God or Santa Claus; they are all the same in my books. However, when we have the audacity to speak up for ourselves, I’d be nice if we weren’t challenged at every step by the majority that already has every damn privilege.

As for ‘ tear[ing] down one more longstanding tradition and belief’, I’ve never met any atheists who are actually interested in getting rid of Christmas. I happen to love Christmas, the celebration of which obviously predates Christianity.. The midwinter celebration is a human tradition as old as civilization- why shouldn’t we want to pull together and celebrate warmth and fellowship during the darkest days of the year? If you’d like to claim that it’s all about Jesus, go right ahead. But in the interests of mutual understanding, don’t expect everyone else to agree.

So, to Mr Sears and like minded Christians: Merry Christmas and happy holidays from the bottom of my loving, godless heart! I hope you’ll take a greater effort next time in actually understanding our position before you decide to dump on us during this season of mid-winter joy. I doubt it, but I’m always open to evidence that shakes my beliefs. Are you?

Smears, betrayal or lies?

Good news for those sick of the Lindsay-Kurtz debacles at CFI: now you can follow the fallout of at the Richard Dawkins Foundation after some site called “Courthouse News Service” has made allegations that Richard Dawkins is suing RDF employee Josh Timonen who runs most of the RDFs online presence.

If you grant that this website is credible (it’s Wikipedia page is a stub created by one user), the claims are that Timonen embezzled hundreds of thousands of dollars through the RDF store and that Dawkins is now suing him for almost $1 million in damages.

Timonen has responded on his blog, denying the accusations and stating that he will soon release a public legal statement through his lawyers (which lends credibility to an actual lawsuit).

It’s disappointing to hear about stories like this, even if they are fabricated, but I’m sure this is just the beginning in another line of drama.

(H/t Friendly Atheist)

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