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Gnu Atheist Questions
Oct 26th
By Andrew Komar
The factually challenged wingnuts over at the Discovery Institute have asked the scary new atheist movement some questions. I’ll do my best to answer them, but if the courtier’s reply applies, I’m going to use it. I’m an engineer, damnit, not a doctor of philosophy.
1) Why is there anything?
One of the defining principles of quantum physics is the fuzziness of reality, provided you are looking close enough. Call it the uncertainty principal if you want, but nature as we know it has some inherent randomness ’built’ into the universe. One of the stranger aspects of this is seen in the phenomenon of virtual particles, which are bits of stuff that pop into and out of existence in time spans shorter than we generally notice. This weirdness also manifests itself in the decidedly spooky Casimir Effect, but the take home lesson is that points of what we think of as empty space actually are teeming with vacuum energy.
The laws of reality allow matter and energy to pop into existence, given small enough time frames and small enough distances. Our cosmological model has that the early universe being of just this fuzzy size, so small and energy dense that time itself got squished into another spatial dimension (see: A Brief History of Time). This was just before the inflationary epoch. which expanded the size of the universe by a factor of 10 followed by 43 zeroes. If Stephen Hawking and the string theorists are correct, than a self-consistent understanding of physics demands that universes can and will be spontaneously created from nothing. We’re just lucky enough to be in a universe that happens to support our kind of life and allows these questions.
Now, it should be noted that we are beyond any experimental evidence regarding the ‘creation’ event, even in theory. As for the ‘why’ bit, that implies intentionality, which is straight up silly. Try asking gravity ‘why’ it is keeping your butt in the chair. Moving along.
2) What caused the Universe?
Again, ’caused’ implies intentionality, but I think I’ve just explained that the universe is essentially self-caused, randomly, as a necessary outcome of the way physics operates. This question also seems to require time existing independently of the universe, as causality requires time for a sequence of events. Asking about sequences ‘before’ the universe, or what caused the universe without time existing is as meaningful as asking what is north of the north pole.
3) Why is there regularity (Law) in nature?
I’m going to invoke the anthropic principle here, it’s doubtful that we’d be here to ask that question if the universe wasn’t ordered enough for complex life to arise. If our universe is a probabilistic fluctuation in some grander design, than there are also an infinite number of other universes that would not have perceived regularity, because their variation on the laws of nature wouldn’t allow for beings capable of observation. Call it a self-selection bias with a sample of 1.
Besides, just because we call an observed pattern regular doesn’t make it so; ask the financial markets. The two theories that best explain different properties of our universe are mutually incompatible, but we consider both laws. All we can do is attempt to characterize our observations in a systematic fashion, incorporating them into self consistent models that explain and predicting relevant aspects. Science is the endeavor of weeding out the bad explanations based on evidence, but you are still left with models that are limited by what we know, or even can know.
4) Causes in nature proposed by Aristotle (material, formal, efficient, and final), which of them are real? Do final causes exist?
Buh? Anyway, I don’t know what injecting a thinker who didn’t even get inertia has to do with a modern scientific understanding of the universe, but honestly, I have no idea what to say to this question.
5) Why do we have subjective experience, and not merely objective existence?
I think consciousness, an intrinsically subjective experience, is a property of a functioning brain. The specific mechanics of this process are still an active field of research, but I think we have the basics mapped out. We certainly understand the underlying behavior of chemicals, but the 100 trillion or so neurons all interacting with each other in potentially infinite ways is a particularly difficult problem to tackle, but I suspect it is all our neurons firing in a time-dependent fashion that causes our subjective consciousness. That is, mind is what brain does, and consciousness is an epiphenomenon. The fact that it isn’t ‘real’ in some objective sense is no more consequential than the fact that this website is no more than a series of ones and zeroes being interpreted by machinery.
6) Why is the human mind intentional, in the technical philosophical sense of aboutness, which is the referral to something besides itself? How can mental states be about something?
Courtier’s Reply. I don’t really know what is being asked, but if this is some question intended on injecting some mind-body dualism into the mix, I’m not biting. Mental states are, as far as I’m concerned, a product of neuro-biological phenomenon in time, and it is an unnecessary step to include some soul. You are your brain, and your brain is you.
7) Does Moral Law exist in itself, or is it an artifact of nature (natural selection, etc.)
I think it is much more likely that ‘moral law’ is something humans made up to help us make sense of the world as it relates to us. That is, right and wrong are words we use to describe events that happen to humans, as opposed to some set of events that are objectively right and wrong. By this definition, we can understand how moral law has changed through human history (see: slavery, genocide, CO2 emissions) because moral law is simply how we define the rightness of any given action.
However, to assert that your particular preferences on right and wrong are some objective feature of the universe is offensively self-centered. All I can say with any certainty is what I think is right and wrong, and if we agree on those definitions, than maybe we can build a society together that implicitly respects our definitions. We might even build institutions (like a church, or a police force) to enforce those definitions, but they are not, nor have they ever been, objective things in a universal sense.
8) Why is there evil?
Evil is a matter of definition, overwhelmingly as actions relate to us (see the last answer). Sometimes, events like earthquakes happen that affect humans, but the events themselves are not intrinsically evil, because they are the result of a non-thinking process that is incapable of intentionally causing harm. The universe on grander scales is completely indifferent to the trials and tribulations of the little apes on the pale blue dot, but what we do have in our control is how we act towards each other. We are what we choose to be, and if our fellow monkeys choose to act in a way we think is evil, we have the choice to accept or challenge that.
Ultimately though, ‘evil’ will die with the last human being that understands what is meant by evil. The universe got on just fine for 13.7 billion years before us without our metaphysical hand-wringing about evil, and I suspect it will do just fine when the only remains of humanity are our electromagnetic transmissions speeding endlessly through the cosmos.
Any questions?
Science Friday: Bad Religion
Oct 19th
Check this out: Bad Religion lead singer, UCLA professor of biology and past Humanist of the Year Greg Graffin was on NPRs Science Friday last week to discuss his new book “Anarcy Evolution: Faith, Science and Bad Religion in a World Without God.”
It’s a really interesting clip, although they lose Graffin for a few minutes in the middle.
I’m sure it will irk some atheists as Graffin rejects the label “atheist” and instead calls himself a “naturalist.” I also found his discussion of Dawkins et. al. bringing “atheism to the ivory towers” somewhat weird since it was those books that opened up the philosophical and scientific arguments to the wider audience.
But nevertheless, I think he has some interesting things to say about building a positive philosophy and about the intellectual strength of punk rock and the similarities between punk and science.
Check it out if you have 18 minutes to listen or read the transcript at the above link.
Hitchens still kickin’
Oct 13th
I don’t think this very often, but I wish I was in Toronto this November (for at least 1 evening).
Christopher Hitchens, who is still fighting cancer, will be debating former British Prime Minister Tony Blair on whether religion is a force for good in the world.
The Munk Debates are open to the public. The debate will take place on Friday, Nov. 26, at Roy Thomson Hall in Toronto at 7 p.m. with a free public reception to follow. Tickets go on sale 11 a.m. on Oct. 14.
The debate will be streamed online so I may have to try to log in on the night.
Praise Grilled Chessus
Oct 6th
I’ll admit this off the bat, I watch Glee, every week, and with my fiancée own all the DVDs and CDs they have produced. So my discussion about last night’s episode of Glee that dealt with religion comes with full knowledge of these characters storylines and pasts.
For those who really don’t know, Glee is a comedy TV series set in a rural American high school where a group of losers (plus some football players and cheerleaders who joined for different reasons) formed a glee show-tunes club. The cast of characters includes a cheerleader who was head of the celibacy club but got pregnant when she cheated on her boyfriend (but she lied and told him it was because he ejaculated in a hot tub with her), a flamboyantly gay kid, a kid in a wheelchair, a Jewish bully and a cheerleader coach who tries to end their club at every chance (because it’s diverting funding from her award winning Cheerios).
While not the first time Glee has dealt with religion, last night’s episode, Grilled Cheesus, was an episode based extensively around religion. Now I’m going to break my analysis up by plotline and let you know that spoilers will be scattered throughout, so go find the show and watch it first if you care.
Finn and Grilled Cheesus
Finn, the quarterback, discovered the face of Jesus one day when he was making a grilled cheese. Not the brightest of characters, he saw it as a sign from God that he should be more religious.
Unsure of how prayers work (in one prayer he wonders if it’s like genies and he only gets three wishes), he asks for (in order):
- For his team to win their first game,
- To feel his girlfriend’s (Rachel) boobs, and
- To be made quarterback again.
All his wishes are granted, but he feels guilty because his position as quarterback is reinstated after the new QB is injured. The guidance councillor gives him a dose of rationalism however, and suggests that while “big questions” exist (and everyone has them), the things he wished for were probably just coincidences and he should throw out his sandwich (he ate the week-old grilled cheese instead).
This plotline was definitely the most blasphemous, and helps add some humour to an episode that also featured a single parent almost passing away. In the end Finn ends as a sort-of agnostic who lost his religion (yes he sang the song), which consisted solely of pareidolia.
Sue the atheist
We learn that antagonist Sue Sylvester is an atheist because while she though of her sister (who has Down’s Syndrome I think) as perfect, everyone else made fun of her disability. After praying for her sister to be normal fails, Sue stopped believing in god as a kid.
Sue uses half the episode to try to bring down the Glee club for signing religious songs in a public school and probably is meant to be the stereotypical ACLU/FFRF lawyers pouncing on innocent teachers who just want to explore spirituality with their students.
At the end of the episode, Sue’s sister asks to pray for her and Sue lets the club sing a religious song (Joan Osborne/Sheryl Crow’s One of Us) that the students asked to sing.
Sue has a great scene with the councillor (Emma), where Sue calls the religious students out as arrogant for throwing their faith in other people’s faces and claiming they’ll go to hell if they don’t convert. While it comes off a bit as the angry/aggressive atheist, her lines are succinct and poignant.
Kurt almost loses his dad
The main reason for all the faithiness in the show was Kurt’s father who had a heart attack and fell into a coma.
As a gay high school student, Kurt has little room for religions that ostracize and insult him. He also mentions the subjugation of women and science as reasons not to believe in religion.
A couple lines from Kurt referencing Russell’s Teapot and the Flying Spaghetti Monster show that either an atheist is among the writing team or they really did their homework.
Kurt is subjected to continual pressure from his high school peers to pray or let them pray for him, to which he asks them not to but eventually gives in. His best friend Mercedes’ even takes him to her black church where she preaches from the pulpit for him and then sings a gospel song for her father. He submits mainly because he can tell its the only way his friends know how to reach out to him.
To demonstrate to his friends how he would rather cope, he sings the Beatle’s I want to hold your hand to a montage of scenes as a child with his father (of course he’s having tea and cupcakes in a collared shirt at 6).
The most disappointing bit about Kurt’s line was that he decided to try acupuncture to cure his dad from a coma. However, this can be partially forgiven when you remember that he’s a helpless high school kid who’s losing the only parent he has and even a faint credulous hope might be worth the effort over doing absolutely nothing. And besides, not all atheists are skeptics (although his references to science and FSM somewhat betray his this hypothesis).
Overall conclusions
I’ve heard a bit of frustration among atheists that atheists were portrayed as bitter or that they had to be traumatized to leave religion, but I strongly disagree.
Kurt is the most fabulous character on the show, and his bitterness and snide comments last night had everything to do with his father dying. Similarly, he’s not a wussy atheist for not yelling and screaming at the few friends he has when they try to help him in their own way.
He’s a gay high school student in the rural USA who’s a member of the loser club. He’s going to be careful not to alienate the few friends he has. It’s easy to hide behind anonymity in online blogs and forums, but in the real world you sometimes need allies.
As for Sue, she seems a bit like the atheist who wants to believe but can’t. It’s a stereotype, but as most people recognize, so is the entire show. I think her arguments were cogent and she’s somewhat of an anti-hero on the show.
Overall the show was as good as most. If you like the show, you probably will like this one (unless your offended by Jesus in grilled cheese or atheists who have religious friends). I wouldn’t say it’s a must watch for atheists, but it’s still a positive step to have more atheists in the media (especially gay and strong female ones).
Atheists FTW
Sep 28th
Atheists Outdo Some Believers in Survey on Religion
Researchers from the independent Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life phoned more than 3,400 Americans and asked them 32 questions about the Bible, Christianity and other world religions, famous religious figures and the constitutional principles governing religion in public life.
On average, people who took the survey answered half the questions incorrectly, and many flubbed even questions about their own faith.
Those who scored the highest were atheists and agnostics, as well as two religious minorities: Jews and Mormons. The results were the same even after the researchers controlled for factors like age and racial differences.
As Sam Harris put it: “At least atheists know what they don’t believe in.”
EDIT: Here’s a sampling of 10 questions from the original 32 question quiz.
EDIT EDIT: and here’s the actual Pew survey for you to take — I did better than 99% of the public, woohoo!
Can we call humanism a religion?
Sep 23rd
Currently, the only place in Canada where humanist officiants exist and perform weddings is in Ontario (correct me if I’m mistaken). In most provinces, weddings are relatively heavily regulated, and marriage officials fall into two categories: religious and civil (secular).
The religious officials basically get free reign to say whatever they want at a ceremony and run them however they want. They sign a paper at the end for the government and all is happy and joyous.
The wording of the various marriage acts vary, so in Alberta and BC you have “religious organizations” and in Ontario you have “clergy”. Nevertheless the idea is the same.
Meanwhile, the civil officiants range from Justice of the Peace-style city hall weddings (very unromantic) to the marriage commissioners of BC and Alberta who are government regulated employees who have to follow portions of a standardized script.
So in Ontario, my understanding to date is that for Humanist Canada to earn the ability to license (anoint) its own officiants it has to call them “clergy.” To get similar powers in BC, the BC Humanist Association will have to call itself a religious organization (within the context of the government’s definitions, which is somewhat vague on the term).
Obviously, some more militant humanists flat-out refuse to call the group a religious body, both for fundamental and practical reasons.
Fundamentally they see humanism as the antithesis of religion (and I agree), and to sell it out is to give up that legitimacy. Practically, they fear unforeseen legal consequences of adopting the word religion haphazardly when it suits us.
Now, I no more believe in God then I do “unforeseen consequences,” but let me give you some foreseeable consequences: If the BC Humanists do not begin performing weddings and ceremonies, they will have little to offer the younger generations of atheists who are leading student groups, CFI and grassroots skeptics groups. With a dwindling and aging membership, performing weddings is one of the easiest and best ways for humanists groups to differentiate themselves from the other groups, put their resources to work, and to become relevant to a younger generation that is on the verge of marrying age (at least some of us are).
Of course the other option is to lobby hard and long to change the wording of the marriage act, but as an afternoon of watching question period will teach you, politics is an awful way to get anything done. And we will definitely attract the attention of religious groups for challenging their privileged status.
So I put the question out to you dear readers: Is there anything fundamentally wrong with calling a humanist group religious for the perks while denouncing the language outside legal jargon?
The religious right … in Canada?!
Sep 20th
As an American living in Canada, I have to admit that I’m always a little amused when I hear people up here complain about the religious right. I mean, I grew up as a Bible-thumpin’ girl in deep South of the US, where “voter’s guides” are periodically inserted into church bulletins and preachers have no shame in saying, from the pulpit, who is “God’s candidate” to vote for.
But as much as I want to claim Canada as a godless socialist paradise, the fact is that there is a movement of the religious right amongst us. Earlier this summer Marci McDonald released a book that detailed these right-wingers in Canada, The Armageddon Factor: The Rise of Christian Nationalism in Canada. (if you’d like a quick taste of some of her findings, read this Walrus article: “Stephen Harper and the Theo-cons” or listen to her interview from CBC’s program The Current)
Yesterday the Saskatoon Freethinkers group met to discuss some of the findings of McDonald’s book, and our afternoon’s talk was led by one of the author’s research sources, Tim Thibault. Tim is the webmaster behind The Miracle Channel Review website, which serves as a type of watchdog for the station The Miracle Channel. Tim has also filed several reports and inquiries with the CRTC and the Canadian Revenue Agency over the unethical practices of this religious network.
McDonald claims that her book is a precursory warning to what could happen to Canada, if the current trajectory of the religious right continues. She quotes one of the leaders of the Canadian religious right as saying that their movement is one that is “burgeoning” and that they are currently “30 years behind the States,” in terms of putting their activism into action. It would appear that her main concern is with the lobby groups that are gaining more influence and access in Ottawa.
I’m not entirely sure I agree with some of McDonald’s concerns — maybe it’s the newfound apathy I have for Canadian politics (a malaise I think I ‘caught’ from other apathetic, politically-disinterested Canadians), but I just don’t see the same kind of influence of the religious right here in Canada as I do in the States. For example, take this exchange from this interview with McDonald (around the 11 minute mark):
Steve Paikin: it’s probably fair to say that [Stephen Harper] is the most evangelical prime minister we’ve ever had, and he’s a huge disappointment to the evangelical movement. And if that’s the case, do people who don’t want this country to move to a socially-conservative agenda in their public life, do they really have that much to worry about?
Marci McDonald: I don’t know whether they do — it’s up to them to decide. But it’s important that somebody write about this, [to] connect the dots . . . people can do with it what they may.
I suppose what I find the most frustrating about what I’ve read/heard from McDonald (full disclosure: I haven’t yet read her book) and from yesterday’s talk is that there doesn’t seem to be anything specific to focus on, in terms of a “right wing agenda” at work in our government. McDonald herself seems hesitant to aim her focus in any one direction. I guess the skeptic in me wants something more concrete to focus my efforts on, other than the possibility that the religious right in Canada could turn out as ugly as it is in the US, 30 years from now.
That said, I’m open to being persuaded out of my ignorance and apathy (so feel free to correct me in the comments).
Anyway, here’s hoping that Canadians up here will keep up the mantra of separating their identity from the “big brother” to the South — and will reject the allure of the James Dobsons and John Hagees of the US religious right.
A campaign against a homophobic charity
Sep 6th
Mark at Slap Upside the Head, has started a campaign to get the Canadian Revenue Agency to revoke charitable status for Exodus Global Alliance.
This “charity” is a homophobic US Evangelical group that seeks to “proclaim freedom from homosexuality.” They run anti-gay conferences where they attempt to “cure” gay people and counsel families with gay people in them.
They have been registered as a religious charity since 1999 within the category of “Missonary Organizations and Propagation of Gospel,” which basically means that our government considers curing gay people worthy of issuing tax receipts for (while at the same time also sanctioning gay marriage). While we (and I presume to speak for everyone here) at Canadian Atheist take exception with the propagation of religion as a charitable activity, it is especially disgusting to see such an endorsement of hateful, discriminatory practice by our own system.
So what can you and I do?
First, read more from Mark, and learn what’s going on. Then write CRA to complain. And finally, share this story so more people can get the word out.
Mark’s even provided a form letter to use to file your complaint:
I’m concerned that the activities being performed in Canada by Exodus Global Alliance, a registered charity, do not meet the criteria of a public benefit as defined by the Canada Revenue Agency.
Exodus’ primary activities include the promotion and treatment of homosexuality as a mental disorder—a notion not supported by the medical and psychological community. Since homosexuality has not been listed as a disorder in medical literature since the mid 1970s, it does not require treatment as promoted by Exodus. Several respected medical and psychological associations, incuding the American Medical Assocation and the American Psychological Association, have issued official statements attesting that such treatments may even result in serious psychological harm.
For these reasons, and in the interest of Canadians, I believe Exodus Global Alliance’s charitable status should be re-evaluated according to the Canada Revenue Agency’s public benefit criteria.
Which can be sent to:
…Contact Revenue Canada’s Charities Directorate at 1-800-267-2384, or write to them:
Charities Directorate
Canada Revenue Agency
Ottawa ON K1A 0L5You can also contact the Office of the Commissioner and Office of the Deputy Commissioner of the CRA:
Mrs. Linda Lizotte-MacPherson
Commissioner — Chief Executive Officer of the CRA
7th Floor
555 MacKenzie Avenue
Ottawa ON K1A 0L5Mrs. Lyse Ricard
Deputy Commissioner of the CRA
7th Floor
555 MacKenzie Avenue
Ottawa ON K1A 0L5
It’s about time that we started challenging the promotion of religion as a basic charitable activity.
Moderate Muslims do condemn extremists
Aug 23rd
Forgive me that this article’s a week or so old, but I’m on vacation so I canned a bunch of articles to make it look like I’m contributing at a continual rate to this blog (whoa, meta).
The Canadian Council of Imams has recently released a statement that they read at hundreds of mosques in the country to start Ramadan (their holy month) which condemned extremist and violent Islam.
They claim to speak for “the silent majority of Canadian Muslims” in these views and I hope that’s true.
Specifically, they affirm that
- all human beings are equal and that “The best Muslim is the one who is good to his/her family and neighbours and one who avoids harming others with his/her hand or tongue,”
- peace is fundamental and “Islam does not permit the killing of innocent people, regardless of their creed, ethnicity, race, or nationality,”
- “the sanctity of religion, life, intellect, family/society, and property,”
- Muslims should be law-abiding citizens,
- gender equality and equal (divine) rights to “education, social contribution, work, and treatment with respect and dignity,”
- the right for people to run their own lives “(for example, in matters of dress or good manners)…as long as their conduct does not threaten the common good,”
- Muslims should “engage in civic life and contribute” as much as they can.
The statement is signed by 38 clerics, however there diversity is limited to Ontario, Saskatchewan and Alberta. I’m not sure why their representation misses the 10% of Canadian Muslims that live in BC or the 19% in Quebec, but I can’t claim to have much knowledge of the various Islamic associations of Canada and their demographics, so they may be counted under national umbrella organizations.
I am very impressed that they make the effort to use both “his” and “her” pronouns and unequivocally affirm gender equality.
While I think this is a very positive step forward, we should not forget that honour killings happen in this country (12 since 2002 by one report). Luckily, we have very strict laws prohibiting genital mutilation to the point where it is illegal to take a child out of this country to perform the operation. Unfortunately, there is no data or estimates on how many criminal cuttings occur.
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